Legislature(2023 - 2024)GRUENBERG 120

03/04/2024 01:00 PM House JUDICIARY

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02:06:23 PM Start
02:07:05 PM HB67
07:45:13 PM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 4, 2024                                                                                          
                           2:06 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sarah Vance, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Jamie Allard, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Jesse Sumner                                                                                                     
Representative Andrew Gray                                                                                                      
Representative Cliff Groh                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 67                                                                                                               
"An Act relating  to criminal law and procedure;  relating to the                                                               
crime  of  stalking;  relating   to  consecutive  sentencing  for                                                               
violation  of conditions  of  release; relating  to  the duty  to                                                               
register  as a  sex  offender; amending  the  definition of  'sex                                                               
offense'; amending  the definition  of 'crime  involving domestic                                                               
violence'; relating to  multidisciplinary child protection teams;                                                               
amending  Rule  6(r), Alaska  Rules  of  Criminal Procedure;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 67(JUD) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB  67                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: HARASSMENT; SEX OFFENDERS & OFFENSES                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ANGIE KEMP, Director                                                                                                            
Criminal Division                                                                                                               
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions during the hearing on HB
67.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CLAIRE RADFORD, Attorney                                                                                                        
Legislative Legal Services                                                                                                      
Legislative Affairs Agency                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions during the hearing on HB
67.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
NANCY MEADE, General Counsel                                                                                                    
Alaska Court System                                                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions during the hearing on HB
67.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BOB BALINGER, Staff                                                                                                             
Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                      
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Explained Amendment 7 on behalf of                                                                       
Representative Vance.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:06:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  VANCE  called  the   House  Judiciary  Standing  Committee                                                             
meeting  to order  at 2:06  p.m.   Representatives Carpenter,  C.                                                               
Johnson, Sumner,  Gray, Groh, Allard,  and Vance were  present at                                                               
the call to order.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          HB  67-HARASSMENT; SEX OFFENDERS & OFFENSES                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:07:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE  announced that the  only order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO.  67,  "An  Act  relating  to  criminal  law  and                                                               
procedure;  relating  to  the  crime  of  stalking;  relating  to                                                               
consecutive sentencing  for violation  of conditions  of release;                                                               
relating to the duty to register  as a sex offender; amending the                                                               
definition of  'sex offense'; amending  the definition  of 'crime                                                               
involving  domestic  violence';   relating  to  multidisciplinary                                                               
child  protection  teams; amending  Rule  6(r),  Alaska Rules  of                                                               
Criminal  Procedure;  and  providing   for  an  effective  date."                                                               
[Before the committee was HB 67, as amended on 2/5/24.]                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Because of  their length, some  amendments discussed  or adopted                                                               
during the  meeting are found  at the end  of the minutes  for HB
67.  Shorter amendments are included in the main text.]                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:07:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:07 p.m. to 2:11 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:11:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER moved Amendment 6  to HB 67, labeled 33-                                                               
GH1031\A.23, C.  Radford, 3/1/24.   [Amendment 67 is  provided at                                                               
the end of the minutes on HB 67.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:11:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER explained  Amendment 6.  He  said HB 67,                                                               
as amended,  is known as a  victims' rights bill, and  central to                                                               
that  is  the  ability  of  a grand  jury  to  seek  justice  for                                                               
Alaskans.   He  said  recent  history had  identified  a need  to                                                               
reform the  grand jury  process, and as  a response,  Amendment 6                                                               
was  drafted.   The  adoption of  Amendment 6  would  be seen  by                                                               
posterity  as  important  legislative intent  and  referenced  by                                                               
future courts.   He proceeded  to read  Article 1, Section  8, of                                                               
the Alaska Constitution, which provides  for the right to a grand                                                               
jury.   He shared  that in  the past six  years, officers  of the                                                               
court  had prevented  members  of the  grand  jury from  speaking                                                               
amongst  themselves about  crimes  that  they want  investigated.                                                               
However, under statute, if a grand  jury member knows of a crime,                                                               
that information  should be shared  with the grand jury,  and the                                                               
grand jury shall  investigate.  The current system,  he said, has                                                               
prevented information from  getting to the grand  jury unless the                                                               
prosecuting  attorney  allows it.    He  cited  the duty  of  the                                                               
prosecuting attorney  under AS 12.40.070  and claimed  that while                                                               
paragraphs  (1)  and (2)  of  that  section are  being  followed,                                                               
paragraph (3) is not.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:20:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER  stated that  Amendment 6  would protect                                                               
victims of  government corruption by  enabling the grand  jury to                                                               
fulfill   its   constitutional   authority   and   exercise   its                                                               
responsibility to ensure public welfare  and safety.  Amendment 6                                                               
would do  the following:  require the inclusion  of at  least two                                                               
alternate  jurors on  a  grand jury;  clarify  and reinforce  the                                                               
grand  jury's power  to initiate  investigations without  seeking                                                               
approval from  a prosecuting  attorney; require  individual grand                                                               
jurors  to  disclose to  the  prosecuting  attorney or  presiding                                                               
judge, in addition to the  other jurors, knowledge of a potential                                                               
crime; reinforce the current statutory  responsibility of a grand                                                               
jury to direct a prosecutor  to prepare an indictment; direct the                                                               
prosecutor  to make  arrangements for  citizens to  speak with  a                                                               
grand jury; allow  a witness to summarize  admissible evidence if                                                               
the evidence will be available  at trial; require the prosecuting                                                               
attorney,  before an  indictment,  to inform  the  grand jury  if                                                               
information  presented  to  the  grand  jury  may  be  considered                                                               
hearsay   or  determined   inadmissible  at   trial;  allow   for                                                               
inadmissible information to be included  in a report by the grand                                                               
jury; require  prosecutors to  advise the  attorney general  if a                                                               
grand  jury investigation  includes  possible  misconduct on  the                                                               
part  of  a prosecutor,  at  which  point a  neutral  prosecuting                                                               
attorney  must be  appointed  to  assist the  grand  jury in  the                                                               
investigation;  allow citizens  not sitting  on a  grand jury  to                                                               
inform  a  prosecutor   of  matters  of  public   welfare  to  be                                                               
investigated; allow  a grand jury  to issue a subpoena  to compel                                                               
testimony   for  the   production  of   documents;  require   the                                                               
prosecuting   attorney  to   inform   the  grand   jury  of   the                                                               
ramifications of  including information  that may  jeopardize the                                                               
validity of an indictment if  the grand jury receives information                                                               
that may be inadmissible in court.   He further explained that if                                                               
the  grand  jury  proceeds with  the  investigation  despite  the                                                               
inclusion  of prejudicial  or  inadmissible  evidence, the  grand                                                               
jury may  request that the  indictment be transferred  to another                                                               
grand jury.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:34:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD sought  to confirm that there  would be two                                                               
separate grand juries.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER explained  in  Amendment  6, one  grand                                                               
jury can  both indict  and investigate;  however, a  second grand                                                               
jury could be  sought to replace a grand jury  that was presented                                                               
with inadmissible information  to account for the  due process of                                                               
Alaskans  and  maintain  the dual  authority  of  indictment  and                                                               
investigation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:37:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD asked  whether Representative Carpenter was                                                               
insinuating that  one grand  jury can  indict and  investigate at                                                               
the same time.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CARPENTER   answered   no.     He   shared   his                                                               
understanding that in a normal  investigation, a grand jury would                                                               
uncover  inadmissible information  and therefore,  any indictment                                                               
would be  tainted.  Consequently,  the grand jury  conducting the                                                               
investigation  would have  to forward  the indictment  to another                                                               
grand jury to consider the admissible information.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD  asked whether Amendment 6  allowed for the                                                               
grand jury to both investigate and indict.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER addressed  the definition  of "indict,"                                                               
explaining  that   Amendment  6  would  direct   the  prosecuting                                                               
attorney to forward an indictment to a second grand jury.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:39:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER resumed the  explanation of Amendment 6.                                                               
He said  Amendment 6  would require  the prosecuting  attorney to                                                               
prepare indictments or presentments  for a replacement grand jury                                                               
if  directed by  a  grand jury;  require a  court  to dismiss  an                                                               
indictment resulting  from the  testimony of  a peace  officer if                                                               
the testimony  is inaccurate  because of  negligent misstatements                                                               
or  omissions; create  a class  A misdemeanor  for obstructing  a                                                               
grand jury;  add a penalty  for questioning a juror  for conduct;                                                               
delete Rule  6(r) from court  rules; remove limitations  on court                                                               
rules  for  grand  juries  to investigate  or  make  reports  and                                                               
recommendations  concerning the  public  welfare or  safety.   He                                                               
explained  that through  the amendment,  he aimed  to modify  the                                                               
current process in  order for grand jurors  and everyday Alaskans                                                               
to bring  their cases directly to  the grand jury.   The power of                                                               
the  investigatory  grand  jury  is  specifically  designated  to                                                               
combat public corruption.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE sought questions from committee members.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:44:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH questioned the  expected cost of the proposed                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER said there  is no fiscal note associated                                                               
with  Amendment 6;  however, that  does  not mean  there's not  a                                                               
respective cost.  He reported  that $500,000 was earmarked in the                                                               
current  budget  for   grand  juries  conducting  investigations;                                                               
however, he said no one knows exactly how much it would cost.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH asked whether  Amendment 6 would overturn any                                                               
Alaska Supreme Court decisions.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER  said  Legislative Legal  Services  had                                                               
indicated that Amendment 6 would not be found unconstitutional.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GROH said  given  the broad  scope,  it would  be                                                               
useful to  hear from the Department  of Law (DOL) and  the Alaska                                                               
Court  System.   He referenced  the broad  definition on  page 7,                                                               
line 10, which  may contribute to potential costs.   In addition,                                                               
he  asked whether  excessively broad  evidence  presented to  the                                                               
grand  jury was  a  factor  in the  recent  dismissal  of a  case                                                               
arising from  the Kenai  Peninsula that had  been reported  on in                                                               
the media.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER  answered no, [broad evidence  was not a                                                               
factor].                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:50:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GROH said  he read  a new  report that  suggested                                                               
otherwise.      He   referenced    the   concern   expressed   by                                                               
Representative  Allard and  asked  whether one  grand jury  could                                                               
investigate  another  grand  jury's failure  to  indict,  thereby                                                               
creating a  circular nature that might  contribute to substantial                                                               
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER  noted that DOL posed  the same question                                                               
and  characterized the  supposition  as a  "fear  factor from  an                                                               
organization that does not want  to conduct or allow grand juries                                                               
to  investigate on  what Alaskans  want to  investigate on."   He                                                               
opined that a circular nature  would indicate that information is                                                               
not being adequately presented to a grand jury.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:54:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:55:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE sought questions from committee members.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:55:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY  directed attention  to page 4,  lines 19-24,                                                               
and  asked   whether  prosecutors  would  be   required  to  make                                                               
arrangements for  any citizen expressing a  concern about matters                                                               
of public welfare to speak to a grand jury.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER said  yes, that  is the  intent of  the                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY  asked whether  citizens  would  be able  to                                                               
repeatedly present their concerns to different grand juries.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CARPENTER  did   not  know   the  answer.     He                                                               
acknowledged that there could be room for abuse.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY  questioned  the  safeguards  against  angry                                                               
citizens  who   might  continuously  bring   superfluous  charges                                                               
against someone.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER said there's  not a perfect solution for                                                               
that other  than placing  someone in charge  as a  gatekeeper for                                                               
the information presented to the grand jury.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE pointed out that the  grand jury must follow the law,                                                               
which includes due process.   She explained that there would need                                                               
to be  proof that  the person  being investigated  actually broke                                                               
the law.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:01:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY asked for DOL's position on Amendment 6.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:01:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANGIE  KEMP,  Director,  Criminal  Division,  Department  of  Law                                                               
(DOL),  said DOL  does  not support  the  proposed amendment,  as                                                               
drafted.  She  said the department continues to  have a multitude                                                               
of concerns related  to the legislation, including  the idea that                                                               
inadmissible evidence  could be  instructed away, and  the belief                                                               
that that  may "cure" the  potential issues that might  flow from                                                               
an indictment.   Among  the core  concerns from  the department's                                                               
perspective is the  way the language relates to  the admission of                                                               
evidence  and  the  summaries  that   witnesses  can  offer,  per                                                               
Sections 10 and  11 of the bill.  She  expressed concern that the                                                               
language in  those sections could  lend itself  to interpretation                                                               
by  the courts  that would  create problems  going forward.   She                                                               
indicated that  there are other constitutional  concerns as well,                                                               
including  the allowance  of  unfettered  unrestricted access  to                                                               
investigative grand  juries without  guardrails.  She  added that                                                               
repeated claims  being brought  by the same  person is  likely to                                                               
happen  and would  create another  appellate avenue  for criminal                                                               
litigates who  are dissatisfied with  the results of  their case,                                                               
thereby doing  more harm to  victims.  She highlighted  Section 4                                                               
and the lack  of limitations on the court's  ability to interpret                                                               
constitutional  provisions  or  issues  related  to  a  piece  of                                                               
legislation, which would completely "ice out" the court system.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:06:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER  contended that  nothing in  Amendment 6                                                               
would cure a  grand jury that had been  presented both admissible                                                               
and inadmissible  information.   He asked  what section  Ms. Kemp                                                               
was referring to.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP  directed attention  to Section 12.40.170  on page  5 of                                                               
Amendment 6,  which would  make it discretionary  on the  part of                                                               
the grand jury to determine whether  there had been a due process                                                               
violation or whether inadmissible  evidence was presented to such                                                               
a  degree that  it would  need to  be referred  to another  grand                                                               
jury, which is a legally  complicated analysis that could prevent                                                               
prosecutors from proceeding.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER shared his  understanding that the grand                                                               
jury  could  not  continue  with   an  indictment  that  includes                                                               
inadmissible information.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:12:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD, referring  to page 5, line 4,  asked how a                                                               
grand jury  is supposed to "unhear"  inadmissible information and                                                               
indict only on admissible evidence.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP  said that's precisely the  issue.  She said  from DOL's                                                               
perspective,  the bill  would allow  for the  same grand  jury to                                                               
potentially indict.   She  explained that  there comes  a tipping                                                               
point,   known  as   the  "Stern   standard,"   at  which   point                                                               
[inadmissible   evidence]   cannot   be   instructed   away   and                                                               
jeopardizes the  indictment itself.   If  the discretion  is left                                                               
with the  grand jury to  decide whether or  not to proceed  to an                                                               
indictment, things would become problematic, she said.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:15:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER asked how  the department would overcome                                                               
the Stern  doctrine if it were  impacting a grand jury  today and                                                               
whether that case could be presented to another grand jury.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP  said not without  seeking judicial review  first before                                                               
re-presenting  that case  before a  grand  jury.   She shared  an                                                               
example, indicating  that typically,  new or  additional evidence                                                               
must be acquired to re-present the case.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER  sought  to  confirm that  there  is  a                                                               
process in  current law  for curing  a grand  jury that  has been                                                               
presented with  inadmissible information, and yet,  modifying the                                                               
process to  allow grand juries  to investigate would  nullify the                                                               
process.   He asked whether the  department is in favor  of grand                                                               
juries being able to investigate and indict.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KEMP  answered yes;  however,  not  through the  vehicle  of                                                               
Amendment  6.   She  further noted  that  the proposed  amendment                                                               
would  not  allow  for  guardrails to  be  placed  on  successive                                                               
applications;  instead,  it  would   task  the  grand  jury  with                                                               
deciding whether something  lends itself to a civil  dispute or a                                                               
private right.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER shared his  understanding that DOL is in                                                               
favor of  the grand  jury being able  to investigate  and indict,                                                               
and  yet,  prosecutors  have  prevented   that  same  thing  from                                                               
happening.   He  said  he did  not  understand the  contradiction                                                               
between the department's statement and its actions.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:22:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  C.  JOHNSON  spoke   to  the  three  branches  of                                                               
government and opined that they are  on the brink of a separation                                                               
of powers  issue.  He shared  his belief that the  legislature is                                                               
trying to  adjudicate, the court  system is trying  to legislate,                                                               
and DOL is trying to moderate.   He remarked that the legislature                                                               
should do its job by writing the laws.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:24:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting  was recessed at  3:24 p.m.  to be continued  at 5:30                                                               
p.m.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:54:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  VANCE  called  the   House  Judiciary  Standing  Committee                                                               
meeting back  to order at  5:54 p.m.   Representatives Carpenter,                                                               
C.  Johnson, Gray,  Allard, and  Vance were  present at  the call                                                               
back to  order.  Representative  Groh arrived as the  meeting was                                                               
in progress.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:55:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CARPENTER   asked   what   makes   Amendment   6                                                               
unconstitutional.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP stated that there are  several concerns.  One is related                                                               
to the  section allowing  any evidence to  be introduced  and the                                                               
section  concerning  the grand  jury's  authority  to compel  the                                                               
production of  evidence.  Despite the  constitutional protections                                                               
for individuals  testifying, from DOL's perspective,  Amendment 6                                                               
would permit individuals to be called  to the grand jury and then                                                               
forced  to   testify  under   oath  despite   the  constitutional                                                               
implications surrounding  the testimony, such  as psychotherapist                                                               
patient privileges or attorney/client privilege.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:59:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER asked  which  section  of the  proposed                                                               
amendment Ms. Kemp was referring to.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP answered Section 11 and Section 12.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:01:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER  asked whether the act  of subpoenaing a                                                               
witness requires  that person  to give  up their  Fifth Amendment                                                               
right.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KEMP said  [the  grand  jury] is  still  limited by  various                                                               
privileges  and  constitutional  rights.   Ms.  Kemp  shared  the                                                               
example  of   a  spouse  being   asked  to  testify   to  private                                                               
conversations between  her and her  significant other,  which, if                                                               
she objected to, could not be forced.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:03:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.   KEMP,  in   response   to  a   follow   up  question   from                                                               
Representative  Carpenter,  explained  that  should  Amendment  6                                                               
pass,  the grand  jury  could subpoena  a  potential target  and,                                                               
despite the  prosecutor's advice,  compel the witness  to testify                                                               
regardless  of his/her  constitutional  rights; furthermore,  the                                                               
prosecutor  could give  advice, but  could not  stop the  witness                                                               
from testifying.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER  shared his understanding that  Ms. Kemp                                                               
had stated  that should  Amendment 6 pass,  the grand  jury might                                                               
mislead an  individual into testifying  who has  a constitutional                                                               
right not to.  He asked whether that is correct.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP  responded, "Perhaps."   She said  the broader  issue is                                                               
that  it would  authorize  the grand  jury to  do  more than  its                                                               
currently  authorized and  would  not allow  for intervention  to                                                               
prevent a  constitutional issue from  occurring.  She  added that                                                               
it  seems to  work against  the  prosecutor's ability  to stop  a                                                               
proceeding  that  would  illicit privileged  or  constitutionally                                                               
protected information.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER  contended  that currently,  the  grand                                                               
jury is being  prevented from investigating.   He reiterated that                                                               
the  proposed amendment  would clarify  that the  grand jury  can                                                               
investigate "wherever  it needs to go"  concerning public welfare                                                               
and  safety and  shall not  be suspended.   He  asked Legislative                                                               
Legal  Services whether  there is  a  constitutional issue  [with                                                               
regard to Sections 11 and 12].                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:12:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD asked  whether the  U.S. Constitution  and                                                               
Alaska Constitution supersedes Amendment 6.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP answered yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD  said if that's  true, she was  confused by                                                               
Ms. Kemp's argument.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP  shared an example related  to Sections 10 and  11.  She                                                               
reiterated  that   ultimately,  the  court  is   responsible  for                                                               
identifying potential constitutional concerns.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:17:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD asked  whether  Ms. Kemp  was saying  that                                                               
Section 10  and Section 11  violate either the  U.S. Constitution                                                               
or the Alaska Constitution in any way.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KEMP said  given the  language in  Sections 10  and 11,  the                                                               
intent  is  unclear.   Further,  she  questioned whether  it  was                                                               
designed  to achieve  the committee's  intent.   Ultimately,  she                                                               
expressed   concern    that   the    courts   may    declare   it                                                               
unconstitutional.  She provided an example.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:19:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 6:19 p.m. to 6:25 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:25:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER  questioned  the  constitutionality  of                                                               
Section 11 in Amendment 6.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:26:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLAIRE   RADFORD,    Attorney,   Legislative    Legal   Services,                                                               
Legislative Affairs Agency (LAA),  responded that it is difficult                                                               
to  say with  certainty whether  the court  would find  a statute                                                               
unconstitutional.   She said it  would depend  on the facts  of a                                                               
specific  case  and  what  was   presented  to  the  grand  jury.                                                               
Regarding Section  11, she  shared her belief  that a  grand jury                                                               
could not  compel a person  to testify against his/her  own self-                                                               
interest  or require  a person  to  waive his/her  constitutional                                                               
rights.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:27:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY  sought to confirm that  "hearsay" [evidence]                                                               
applies to everyone.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. RADFORD said, "That would be correct."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY asked  when  section 10  would  be used,  as                                                               
opposed to Section 11.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. RADFORD  said Section  11 of  Amendment 6,  hearsay evidence,                                                               
states that all  evidence or information may be  presented to the                                                               
grand jury.   Conversely, under  Section 10, the grand jury would                                                               
only  be able  to  use  admissible evidence  for  the purpose  of                                                               
returning a true bill.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY  directed attention  to page 5,  lines 14-17,                                                               
and asked whether  there would be limitations  on the replacement                                                               
grand jury.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.   RADFORD  established   that  as   drafted,  there   are  no                                                               
limitations  on  the grand  jury's  ability  to request  that  an                                                               
indictment be brought before another grand jury.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:31:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY  suggested that  there could be  a continuous                                                               
cycle  of replacement  grand juries.   He  asked whether  that is                                                               
accurate.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. RADFORD confirmed that Representative  Gray had highlighted a                                                               
potential hazard of the proposed  amendment, as there would be no                                                               
limit  on  the  number  of  grand juries  that  could  pursue  an                                                               
indictment  if more  prejudicial  or  inadmissible evidence  were                                                               
found.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE referred  to Section 12, and asked whether  a lack of                                                               
purposeful  evidence  in  the aforementioned  scenario  could  be                                                               
considered obstruction.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. RADFORD said  overall, it is unlikely that a  person could be                                                               
charged  with obstructing  a grand  jury for  proceeding in  that                                                               
manner.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:34:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C.  JOHNSON inquired about severability  and asked                                                               
whether it is  a "bygone era."  He  recalled putting severability                                                               
clauses in bills  to ensure that if one section  of the bill were                                                               
unconstitutional, the whole bill would not be struck down.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. RADFORD  revealed that severability provisions  are no longer                                                               
necessary, per Title 1.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C.  JOHNSON sought to  confirm that if  Section 11                                                               
were deemed unconstitutional,  the rest of the  bill would remain                                                               
intact.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. RADFORD responded, "That is correct."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:36:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER  asked whether  any other  provisions in                                                               
Amendment 6 could be construed as unconstitutional.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RADFORD said  she had  not identified  any other  provisions                                                               
that may be  considered unconstitutional; however, it  is hard to                                                               
say with certainty.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:38:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GROH   requested  a  ballpark  estimate   of  the                                                               
perceived cost of Amendment 6 from DOL's perspective.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KEMP  acknowledged that  there  would  be a  fiscal  impact;                                                               
however, she could not provide an estimate at this time.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GROH requested  a  list of  court decisions  that                                                               
could be impacted by Amendment 6.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP cited the O'Leary v.  Superior Court and Powell v. State                                                           
decisions in reference to Sections 10 and 11.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:42:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH requested a ballpark  estimate of the cost to                                                               
the Alaska Court System should Amendment 6 pass.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
NANCY MEADE,  General Counsel, Alaska Court  System, reflected on                                                               
grand jurors' compensation  and recalled an example  in which the                                                               
pay to  the grand  jurors amounted  to $15,000;  consequently, 20                                                               
grand juries  per year would amount  to $20,000.  She  added that                                                               
she  was not  prepared  to make  an educated  guess  on the  cost                                                               
today.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:44:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GROH asked  whether  any administrative  concerns                                                               
had been identified.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE said administratively, it  would be a matter of calling                                                               
additional grand  jurors and one more  statewide jury coordinator                                                               
to deal  with the expanded grand  jury list.  Also,  if this were                                                               
to  become more  common, there  might  be a  space constraint  to                                                               
consider in terms  of where the investigative  grand juries could                                                               
meet.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH  asked about  procedural concerns  that might                                                               
be engendered by the adoption of Amendment 6.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  expressed concern about  the removal of  criminal rule                                                               
6.1, which reflects the court's  position on how to best approach                                                               
investigative grand  juries and  offers guidelines on  matters of                                                               
public welfare  and safety.   Nonetheless, she  acknowledged that                                                               
the legislature has the authority to make this change.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:49:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C.  JOHNSON encouraged  the committee to  stick to                                                               
policy decisions,  not money,  as the bill  would be  referred to                                                               
the House Finance Committee.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:53:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER asked if  the legislature were to change                                                               
the statutes  regarding admissible  evidence in  hearsay, whether                                                               
that would impact indictments, investigations, or both.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE  said  she  did  not understand  the  question.    She                                                               
addressed   the  danger   of   instituting  an   unconstitutional                                                               
provision or a  provision that could be challenged as  such.  She                                                               
explained that  if someone were  convicted with evidence  that is                                                               
not  currently  admissible, but  new  statute  allowed it  to  be                                                               
admitted,  that person  could  ask the  Alaska  Supreme Court  to                                                               
overturn the  conviction by  citing an  improper indictment.   In                                                               
this instance, the  district attorney (DA) may  have followed the                                                               
statute,  but the  statute could  be ruled  unconstitutional, and                                                               
consequently, the indictment could be thrown out.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER  referenced  the  Powell  doctrine  and                                                             
shared his  understanding that  additional amounts  of admissible                                                               
hearsay  was  found constitutional.    He  asserted that  putting                                                               
[hearsay] in  statute would make  it less likely that  the courts                                                               
would find it unconstitutional.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:57:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  VANCE  asked  Representative   Carpenter  to  clarify  the                                                               
difference between  an investigative grand jury  and an indicting                                                               
grand jury.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    CARPENTER    described   the    process    that                                                               
differentiates the investigative grand  jury from the replacement                                                               
grand jury.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:00:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE questioned the purpose of Amendment 6.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER  said  the   purpose  of  the  proposed                                                               
amendment is to  enable the grand jury to  investigate matters of                                                               
public welfare  and safety, and  issue either an indictment  or a                                                               
report  to   the  public,  thereby   following  through   on  its                                                               
constitutional authority.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:02:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD removed her objection.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY objected.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:02:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY referenced  an  Anchorage  Daily News  (ADN)                                                               
article about  a Kenai Peninsula  grand jury, in which  the judge                                                               
found the indictment to be  exceptionally vague, lacking details,                                                               
and  flooded with  improperly presented  evidence.   He expressed                                                               
concern that  Amendment 6 would  make all grand juries  more like                                                               
the Kenai  Peninsula case.  He  opined that grand jury  reform is                                                               
wide ranging and worthy  of its own bill to be  fully vetted.  He                                                               
expressed concern that  the convening of more  grand juries would                                                               
garner a fiscal note and  worried about potential litigation.  He                                                               
quoted  two   committee  members'   comments  about   a  previous                                                               
amendment about  financial considerations,  and said he  felt the                                                               
same way  about Amendment 6, and  for that reason, he  would be a                                                               
"no" vote.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:05:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GROH expressed  concern  that the  issue had  not                                                               
been fully vetted.   He shared his belief that  Amendment 6 could                                                               
magnify grievances  and give  power the grand  jury in  ways that                                                               
differ  from  the  constitutional   intent;  further,  he  echoed                                                               
Representative  Gray's  comments about  financial  considerations                                                               
and said he would be a "no" vote on Amendment 6.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE  said the public has  heard from both the  courts and                                                               
DOL on  this issue,  but not  from the  legislature.   She opined                                                               
that  Amendment 6  would clarify  the  legislature's position  on                                                               
grand juries, and  by doing so, provide the balance  of all three                                                               
branches of government [weighing in on the issue].                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:08:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll  call vote  was  taken.   Representatives  Carpenter,  C.                                                               
Johnson,  Allard,  and  Vance  voted in  favor  of  Amendment  6.                                                               
Representatives  Gray  and Groh  voted  against  it.   Therefore,                                                               
Amendment 6 was adopted by a vote of 4-2.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:08:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  moved to  adopt  Amendment  7 to  HB  67,                                                               
labeled 33-GH1031\A.25, C. Radford, 3/2/24, which read:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 10, through page 2, line 1:                                                                                   
          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
          "LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS AND INTENT. (a) The                                                                             
     legislature  finds that  safeguarding the  constitution                                                                    
     is  not solely  the  responsibility of  the courts  and                                                                    
     that every  branch of  state government  has a  duty to                                                                    
     uphold   the   constitution.  When   the   foundational                                                                    
     institutions   outlined   in   the   constitution   are                                                                    
     disregarded or  marginalized, it is imperative  for the                                                                    
     legislature to fortify those institutions.                                                                                 
          (b)  It is the intent of the legislature to                                                                           
     protect the  constitutional rights  of citizens  of the                                                                    
     state by empowering the grand  jury to seek justice and                                                                    
     minimize   trauma  to   victims  while   upholding  due                                                                    
     process.                                                                                                                   
          (c)  The legislature further finds that a grand                                                                       
     jury's constitutional duties  to return indictments and                                                                    
     investigate  matters  concerning   public  welfare  and                                                                    
      safety are complementary and must be performed in a                                                                       
     manner that protects citizens' constitutional rights."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Reletter the following subsection accordingly.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER objected.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:09:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BOB  BALINGER, Staff,  Representative Sarah  Vance, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  on   behalf  of  Representative   Vance,  explained                                                               
Amendment  7.     He  said  the  proposed   amendment  would  add                                                               
legislative intent  language to  overturn the Powell  decision to                                                             
the  extent  that  it  concerns   the  admissibility  of  hearsay                                                               
evidence.   He  proceeded to  paraphrase subsections  (a) through                                                               
(c).                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:11:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY  shared his  understanding  that  HB 67,  as                                                               
amended, would all  hearsay evidence to be admissible.   He asked                                                               
whether the additional amendment was necessary.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALLINGER answered  no, the  purpose of  Amendment 7  was to                                                               
clarify legislative intent.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:12:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 7:12 p.m. to 7:16 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:16:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GROH maintained  his objection.   He  opined that                                                               
expanding  the use  of hearsay  makes sense  for sexual  offenses                                                               
involving minors;  however, it would  not make as much  sense for                                                               
other cases.   For that reason,  he said he would  be voting "no"                                                               
on Amendment 7 and planned to offer Amendment 4.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER asked  whether  the  question could  be                                                               
divided  to adopt  the intent  language and  allow Representative                                                               
Groh to offer his amendment.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:18:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   ALLARD   asked   whether   Representative   Groh                                                               
disagreed with subsection (b) of Amendment 7.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GROH clarified  that  he  agreed with  subsection                                                               
(b).   He explained that  he disagreed with the  wide application                                                               
of  hearsay, as  it  would  apply to  criminal  offenses such  as                                                               
alleged embezzlement or car theft.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  pointed  out that  Amendment  7  provided                                                               
legislative  intent  language and  therefore,  she  said she  was                                                               
supportive of it.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:22:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call  vote was taken.   Representatives Allard, Carpenter,                                                               
C.  Johnson,   and  Vance   voted  in   favor  of   Amendment  7.                                                               
Representatives  Gray  and Groh  voted  against  it.   Therefore,                                                               
Amendment 7 was adopted by a vote of 4-2.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY  moved to rescind  the committee's  action on                                                               
2/9/24 in  failing to  adopt Amendment  3 to  HB 67,  labeled 33-                                                               
GH1031\A.14, C. Radford, 2/5/24, which read:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 1, following "stalking;":                                                                                   
         Insert "relating to sexual abuse of a minor;"                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 2:                                                                                                            
          Delete "sec. 12"                                                                                                      
          Insert "sec. 15"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
     Page 2, following line 28:                                                                                                 
          Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                     
        "* Sec. 3. AS 11.41.434(a) is amended to read:                                                                      
          (a)  An offender commits the crime of sexual                                                                          
     abuse of a minor in the first degree if                                                                                    
               (1)  being 16 years of age or older, the                                                                         
     offender engages  in sexual  penetration with  a person                                                                    
     who is under 13 years  of age or aids, induces, causes,                                                                    
     or encourages a person who is  under 13 years of age to                                                                    
     engage in sexual penetration with another person;                                                                          
               (2)  being 18 years of age or older, the                                                                         
     offender engages  in sexual  penetration with  a person                                                                    
     who is under  18 years of age, and the  offender is the                                                                    
     victim's  natural parent,  stepparent, adopted  parent,                                                                    
     or legal guardian; or                                                                                                      
               (3)  being 18 years of age or older, the                                                                         
     offender engages  in sexual  penetration with  a person                                                                    
     who is under 18 [16] years of age, and                                                                                 
               (A)   the victim at  the time of  the offense                                                                    
     is residing in  the same household as  the offender and                                                                    
     the offender has authority over the victim; or                                                                             
               (B)   the  offender  occupies  a position  of                                                                    
     authority in relation to the victim.                                                                                       
        * Sec. 4. AS 11.41.436(a) is amended to read:                                                                         
          (a)  An offender commits the crime of sexual                                                                          
     abuse of a minor in the second degree if,                                                                                  
               (1)   being  17 years  of age  or older,  the                                                                    
     offender engages  in sexual  penetration with  a person                                                                    
     who is 13, 14,  [OR] 15, 16, or 17 years  of age and at                                                                
     least four  years younger than  the offender,  or aids,                                                                    
     induces, causes, or encourages a  person who is 13, 14,                                                                    
     [OR]  15, 16,  or 17  years of  age and  at least  four                                                                
     years  younger than  the offender  to engage  in sexual                                                                    
     penetration with another person;                                                                                           
               (2)   being  16 years  of age  or older,  the                                                                    
     offender engages  in sexual contact  with a  person who                                                                    
     is under 13  years of age or aids,  induces, causes, or                                                                    
     encourages a person under 13  years of age to engage in                                                                    
     sexual contact with another person;                                                                                        
               (3)   being  18 years  of age  or older,  the                                                                    
     offender engages  in sexual contact  with a  person who                                                                    
     is  under 18  years of  age,  and the  offender is  the                                                                    
     victim's  natural parent,  stepparent, adopted  parent,                                                                    
     or legal guardian;                                                                                                         
               (4)   being  16 years  of age  or older,  the                                                                    
     offender aids, induces, causes,  or encourages a person                                                                    
     who  is under  16 years  of  age to  engage in  conduct                                                                    
     described in AS 11.41.455(a)(2) - (6);                                                                                     
               (5)   being  18 years  of age  or older,  the                                                                    
     offender engages  in sexual contact  with a  person who                                                                    
     is under 18 [16] years of age, and                                                                                     
               (A)   the victim at  the time of  the offense                                                                    
     is residing in  the same household as  the offender and                                                                    
     the offender has authority over the victim; or                                                                             
               (B)   the  offender  occupies  a position  of                                                                    
     authority in relation to the victim;                                                                                       
               (6)   being  18 years  of age  or older,  the                                                                    
     offender engages  in sexual  penetration with  a person                                                                    
     who is 16  or 17 years of age and  at least three years                                                                    
     younger than the offender, and  the offender occupies a                                                                    
     position of authority in relation to the victim; or                                                                        
               (7)    being  under  16  years  of  age,  the                                                                    
     offender engages  in sexual  penetration with  a person                                                                    
     who is under  13 years of age and at  least three years                                                                    
     younger than the offender.                                                                                                 
        * Sec. 5. AS 11.41.438(a) is amended to read:                                                                         
          (a)  An offender commits the crime of sexual                                                                          
     abuse of a minor in the  third degree if being 17 years                                                                    
     of  age  or  older,  the  offender  engages  in  sexual                                                                    
     contact with  a person who is  13, 14, [OR] 15,  16, or                                                                
     17 years  of age and  at least four years  younger than                                                                
     the offender."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
        "*  Sec.  16.  AS 11.41.436(a)(6),  11.41.440(a)(2);                                                                
     AS 12.40.110;     and    AS 12.63.100(7)(C)(ii)     are                                                                    
     repealed."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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          Insert "AS 11.41.434(a), as amended by sec. 3 of                                                                      
     this  Act, AS 11.41.436(a),  as  amended by  sec. 4  of                                                                    
     this  Act, AS 11.41.438(a),  as  amended by  sec. 5  of                                                                    
     this Act,"                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 3"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 6"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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          Insert "sec. 9"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 7"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 10"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 8"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 11"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 12"                                                                                                      
          Insert "sec. 15"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 12" in both places                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 15" in both places                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:23:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 7:23 p.m. to 7:26 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:26:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken.   Representatives Groh and Gray voted                                                               
in favor  of rescinding action  on Amendment 3.   Representatives                                                               
Allard,  Carpenter,  C.  Johnson,  and Vance  voted  against  it.                                                               
Therefore, rescinding action  on Amendment 3 failed by  a vote of                                                               
2-4.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:27:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH moved to adopt Amendment 4 to HB 67, labeled                                                                
33-GH1031\A.16, C. Radford, 2/6/24, which read:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 1, following "procedure;":                                                                                  
          Insert   "relating   to    hearsay   evidence   in                                                                  
     prosecutions for sexual offenses;"                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "6(r)"                                                                                                       
          Insert "6(s)"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete all material.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 7:                                                                                                            
          Delete "Sec. 2"                                                                                                     
          Insert "Section 1"                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
     Page 2, following line 28:                                                                                                 
          Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                    
        "* Sec. 2. AS 12.40.110(a) is amended to read:                                                                      
          (a)  In a prosecution for an offense under                                                                            
     AS 11.41.410  -   11.41.458,  hearsay  evidence   of  a                                                                    
     statement  related   to  the  offense,   not  otherwise                                                                    
     admissible, made  by a child  who is the victim  of the                                                                    
     offense may be admitted  into evidence before the grand                                                                    
     jury if                                                                                                                    
               (1)    the  circumstances  of  the  statement                                                                    
     indicate its reliability;                                                                                                  
               (2)  the child is  under 18 [10] years of age                                                                
     when the hearsay evidence is sought to be admitted;                                                                        
               (3)   additional  evidence  is introduced  to                                                                    
     corroborate the statement; and                                                                                             
               (4)   the child  testifies at the  grand jury                                                                    
     proceeding or  the child will  be available  to testify                                                                    
     at trial."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "6(r)"                                                                                                         
          Insert "6(s)"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
          "(s)  Admissibility of Evidence.                                                                                    
               (1)     Evidence   which  would   be  legally                                                                    
     admissible  at trial  shall  be  admissible before  the                                                                    
     grand  jury. In  appropriate cases,  however, witnesses                                                                    
     may be  presented to  summarize admissible  evidence if                                                                    
     the  admissible evidence  will be  available at  trial.                                                                    
     Except as  stated in subparagraphs  (2), (3),  and (6),                                                                    
     hearsay evidence  shall not be  presented to  the grand                                                                    
     jury   absent   compelling    justification   for   its                                                                    
     introduction. If  hearsay evidence is presented  to the                                                                    
     grand jury, the reasons for  its use shall be stated on                                                                    
     the record.                                                                                                                
               (2)   In a prosecution  for an  offense under                                                                    
     AS 11.41.410  -   11.41.458,  hearsay  evidence   of  a                                                                    
     statement  related   to  the  offense,   not  otherwise                                                                    
     admissible, made  by a child  who is the victim  of the                                                                    
     offense may be admitted  into evidence before the grand                                                                    
     jury if                                                                                                                    
               (i)    the  circumstances  of  the  statement                                                                    
     indicate its reliability;                                                                                                  
               (ii)   the child  is under  18 [10]  years of                                                                
     age  when   the  hearsay  evidence  is   sought  to  be                                                                    
     admitted;                                                                                                                  
               (iii)   additional evidence is  introduced to                                                                    
     corroborate the statement; and                                                                                             
               (iv)   the child testifies at  the grand jury                                                                    
     proceeding or  the child will  be available  to testify                                                                    
     at trial.                                                                                                                  
               (3)     Hearsay   evidence  related   to  the                                                                    
     offense,  not  otherwise  admissible, may  be  admitted                                                                    
     into evidence before the grand jury if                                                                                     
               (i)   the  individual presenting  the hearsay                                                                    
     evidence   is  a   peace   officer   involved  in   the                                                                    
     investigation; and                                                                                                         
               (ii)   the hearsay  evidence consists  of the                                                                    
     statement  and  observations   made  by  another  peace                                                                    
     officer in the course of an investigation; and                                                                             
               (iii)   additional evidence is  introduced to                                                                    
     corroborate the statement.                                                                                                 
               (4)   If the testimony  presented by  a peace                                                                    
     officer  under   paragraph  (3)  of  this   section  is                                                                    
     inaccurate because  of intentional,  grossly negligent,                                                                    
     or  negligent  misstatements  or  omissions,  then  the                                                                    
     court shall  dismiss an  indictment resulting  from the                                                                    
     testimony if  the defendant  shows that  the inaccuracy                                                                    
     prejudices substantial rights of the defendant.                                                                            
               (5)   In  this section  "statement" means  an                                                                    
     oral or  written assertion or nonverbal  conduct if the                                                                    
     nonverbal conduct is intended as an assertion.                                                                             
               (6)   When a prior  conviction is  an element                                                                    
     of an  offense, hearsay  evidence received  through the                                                                    
     Alaska Public Safety Information  Network or from other                                                                    
     government  agencies   of  prior  convictions   may  be                                                                    
     presented to the grand jury."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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     Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                           
          "(b)  AS 12.40.110(a), as amended by sec. 2 of                                                                        
     this  Act,  applies to  a  prosecution  for an  offense                                                                    
     committed on or after the effective date of this Act."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Reletter the following subsections accordingly.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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          Insert "6(s)"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:27:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH said  he found the bill's  broad expansion of                                                               
hearsay  at grand  juries to  be  problematic.   Amendment 4,  he                                                               
explained, would  restrict the use  of hearsay at grand  jury and                                                               
move away from the broad definitions.   He shared an example of a                                                               
case he litigated.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:29:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  asked   whether  unintended  consequences                                                               
could result from Amendment 4.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP  said the  proposed amendment would  limit the  scope of                                                               
the  evidence   that  could   be  summarized.     She   shared  a                                                               
hypothetical  example  and  said  Amendment  4  would  raise  the                                                               
statutory age  and provide  protections for  people 18  years old                                                               
and under.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:31:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY shared  his  understanding  that hearsay  is                                                               
allowed  in  thirty other  states.    He  asked whether  that  is                                                               
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP  acknowledged that many  states [allow  hearsay], adding                                                               
that Alaska  is in  the minority  in terms  of the  preclusion of                                                               
admissible evidence.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRAY  asked   how  many   states  have   hearsay                                                               
allowances as broad as in HB 67, as amended.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP did not know the answer.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY  asked Ms. Kemp  to name a state  that allows                                                               
all hearsay evidence.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP listed Alabama,  Kentucky, Delaware, Maine, Mississippi,                                                               
New Jersey,  North Carolina, Ohio,  as states that allow  a broad                                                               
spectrum of hearsay similar to HB 67, as amended.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:33:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C. JOHNSON requested the definition of hearsay.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP  defined "hearsay" as an  out-of-court statement offered                                                               
to provide the truth of the matter asserted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  C.  JOHNSON  asked  whether  video  testimony  is                                                               
considered hearsay.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP  said currently, grand  jury rules allow  for telephonic                                                               
participation in some scenarios.   She added that the idea behind                                                               
the legislation is  to avoid someone having to come  to court and                                                               
re-live a traumatic experience.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C.  JOHNSON emphasized that hearsay  is real audio                                                               
or video testimony, not "bar talk."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE  asked what  the federal  government allows  in court                                                               
for hearsay.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP  explained that the federal  government allows witnesses                                                               
to  summarize admissible  testimony, much  like the  goal of  the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:38:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRAY  posed   several  hypotheticals   involving                                                               
conversations taking place at a  bar and asked whether they would                                                               
be considered hearsay.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP explained  that if someone were a  percipient witness to                                                               
a confession, other exceptions could  be introduced.  In response                                                               
to a follow  up question, she acknowledged that  regardless of HB
67,  as   amended,  there  are  still   evidentiary  vehicles  to                                                               
introduce certain hearsay.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:41:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:41:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call  vote was taken.  Representative Groh  voted in favor                                                               
of  Amendment 4.   Representatives  Gray,  Allard, Carpenter,  C.                                                               
Johnson,  and Vance  voted against  it.   Therefore, Amendment  4                                                               
failed by a vote of 1-5.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:42:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE encouraged  members of the public to  read the intent                                                               
language that is  attempting to protect the rights  of victims by                                                               
not  requiring  them  to  come  before  the  grand  jury  and  be                                                               
retraumatized.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:43:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD moved  to report HB 67, as  amended, out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal  notes.    There  being no  objection,  CSHB  67(JUD)  was                                                               
reported from the House Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:45:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at7:45 p.m.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                           AMENDMENTS                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The following  amendment to HB  67 was moved for  adoption during                                                               
the hearing.   [Shorter amendments are provided in  the main text                                                               
only.]                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Amendment 6 [33-GH1031\A.23, C. Radford, 3/1/24]:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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          Insert "relating to grand juries;"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "Rule 6(r)"                                                                                                  
          Insert "Rules 5(e), 6, and 6.1"                                                                                     
          Following "Procedure;":                                                                                             
          Insert "repealing Rules 6.1(b)(2) and (3), Alaska                                                                   
     Rules of Criminal Procedure;"                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
        "* Section  1. AS 09.20.080 is  amended by  adding a                                                                
     new subsection to read:                                                                                                    
          (c)  The jury panel for a grand jury includes not                                                                     
     fewer than  two alternate  jurors. The  presiding judge                                                                    
     shall  designate the  alternate  jurors at  the time  a                                                                    
     grand jury is selected.                                                                                                    
        * Sec.  2. AS 09.20.090 is  amended by adding  a new                                                                  
     subsection to read:                                                                                                        
          (b)  When a grand jury is impaneled, the court                                                                        
     shall provide  the jury with written  instructions that                                                                    
     include state statutes relating to grand juries."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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          Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                     
        "* Sec. 4. AS 12.40.030 is amended to read:                                                                         
          Sec. 12.40.030. Duty of inquiry into crimes and                                                                     
     general powers.  The grand jury shall  inquire into all                                                                  
     crimes committed or triable  within the jurisdiction of                                                                    
     the  court and  present them  to the  court. The  grand                                                                    
     jury shall  have the power to  initiate investigations,                                                                
     investigate,   issue    indictments   consistent   with                                                                
     AS 12.40.170, and  make recommendations  concerning the                                                                
     public welfare or safety. The  power of grand juries to                                                                
     investigate  and  make recommendations  concerning  the                                                                
     public  welfare  or  safety   may  not  be  limited  or                                                                
     suspended.                                                                                                             
        *  Sec. 5.  AS 12.40.030  is amended  by adding  new                                                                  
     subsections to read:                                                                                                       
          (b)  An individual grand juror may propose that                                                                       
     the  grand jury  investigate  a  matter concerning  the                                                                    
     public welfare  or safety. If, after  a reasonable time                                                                    
     for consideration, as established  by a majority of the                                                                    
     grand jury members, the grand  jury determines that the                                                                    
     matter  should be  investigated, the  grand jury  shall                                                                    
     initiate an investigation.                                                                                                 
          (c)  For purposes of this section, a matter that                                                                      
     concerns a  private cause of  action, or a  matter that                                                                    
     could be the  basis of a civil claim,  does not qualify                                                                    
     as a matter concerning the public welfare or safety.                                                                       
        * Sec. 6. AS 12.40.040 is amended to read:                                                                            
          Sec. 12.40.040. Juror to disclose knowledge of                                                                      
     crime.  If  an  individual  grand juror  knows  or  has                                                                  
     reason to believe that a  crime has been committed that                                                                    
     is triable  by the court,  the juror shall  disclose it                                                                    
     to                                                                                                                       
               (1)  the other jurors, who shall investigate                                                                 
     it; and                                                                                                                
               (2)  the prosecuting attorney or presiding                                                                   
     judge.                                                                                                                 
        * Sec. 7. AS 12.40.050 is amended to read:                                                                            
          Sec. 12.40.050. Holding to answer as affecting                                                                      
     indictment or  presentment. The  grand jury  may indict                                                                  
     or  present  a  person  for  a  crime  upon  sufficient                                                                    
     evidence, whether  that person has been  held to answer                                                                    
     for the  crime or  not. The grand  jury may  direct the                                                                
     prosecutor to prepare an indictment.                                                                                   
        * Sec. 8. AS 12.40.070 is amended to read:                                                                            
          Sec. 12.40.070. Duty of prosecuting attorney. The                                                                   
     prosecuting attorney                                                                                                     
               (1)  shall submit an indictment to the grand                                                                     
     jury  and   cause  the  evidence  in   support  of  the                                                                    
     indictment  to be  brought before  them  in every  case                                                                    
     when a  person is held  to answer a criminal  charge in                                                                    
     the court where the jury is formed;                                                                                        
               (2)  may submit an indictment in any case                                                                        
     when  the  prosecuting  attorney  has  good  reason  to                                                                    
     believe a crime  has been committed that  is triable by                                                                    
     the court; [AND]                                                                                                           
               (3)  shall, when required by the grand jury,                                                                     
     prepare  indictments  or  presentments for  them  or  a                                                                
     replacement  grand jury  and attend  their sittings  to                                                                
     advise them in  relation to their duties  or to examine                                                                    
     witnesses in their presence; and                                                                                       
               (4)  make arrangements for a citizen to                                                                      
     speak   with   a   grand   jury   as   provided   under                                                                
     AS 12.40.140.                                                                                                          
        * Sec.  9. AS 12.40.090 is  amended by adding  a new                                                                  
     subsection to read:                                                                                                        
          (b)  Violation of (a) of this section is a class                                                                      
     A misdemeanor.                                                                                                             
        * Sec. 10.  AS 12.40.100 is amended by  adding a new                                                                  
     subsection to read:                                                                                                        
          (d)  Only evidence that could be admissible at                                                                        
     trial may be included in an indictment.                                                                                    
        * Sec.  11. AS 12.40.110  is repealed  and reenacted                                                                  
     to read:                                                                                                                   
          Sec. 12.40.110. Hearsay evidence. (a) All                                                                           
     evidence or  information may be presented  to the grand                                                                    
     jury.  A   witness  may   be  presented   to  summarize                                                                    
     admissible evidence if the  admissible evidence will be                                                                    
     available at trial.                                                                                                        
          (b)    The   prosecuting  attorney  shall,  before                                                                    
     indictment,  inform  the   grand  jury  if  information                                                                    
     presented to  the grand jury may  be considered hearsay                                                                    
     or determined inadmissible at trial by the court.                                                                          
          (c)   Information  that would  be inadmissible  at                                                                    
     trial may be included in a report by the grand jury.                                                                       
        *  Sec.  12.  AS 12.40  is  amended  by  adding  new                                                                  
     sections to read:                                                                                                          
          Sec. 12.40.120.  Obstructing a  grand jury.  (a) A                                                                  
     person commits  the crime of  obstructing a  grand jury                                                                    
     if the  person intentionally fails to  give or directs,                                                                    
     orders,  threatens,  restrains,   coerces,  forces,  or                                                                    
     prevents  another person  from giving  full cooperation                                                                    
     to  the   grand  jury   in  assembling   or  furnishing                                                                    
     requested information to the grand jury.                                                                                   
          (b)  It is not a  violation of (a) of this section                                                                    
     if a prosecutor or judicial officer                                                                                        
               (1)  informs a grand jury of its ability to                                                                      
     refer matters to an ombudsman;                                                                                             
               (2)  explains potential consequences of a                                                                        
     grand  jury  investigation,   including  a  grand  jury                                                                    
     investigation's interference  with an  investigation by                                                                    
     law enforcement;                                                                                                           
               (3)  advises a grand jury of the time                                                                            
     commitment  that  may  be  required  to  investigate  a                                                                    
     matter brought before it;                                                                                                  
               (4)      gives   instructions   or   explains                                                                    
     procedure to  the grand jury for  another reason before                                                                    
     or during an investigation.                                                                                                
          (c)    Obstructing  a  grand jury  is  a  class  A                                                                    
     misdemeanor.                                                                                                               
          Sec.  12.40.130.  Prosecutorial misconduct.  If  a                                                                  
     grand    jury     investigation    concerns    possible                                                                    
     prosecutorial misconduct  or misconduct on the  part of                                                                    
     an employee or  agent of the Department of  Law so that                                                                    
     having a prosecuting attorney or  the Department of Law                                                                    
     proceed   with  an   investigation   would  create   an                                                                    
     appearance of impropriety  or conflict, the prosecuting                                                                    
     attorney   shall   immediately  advise   the   attorney                                                                    
     general. The  attorney general shall appoint  a neutral                                                                    
     attorney to assist the grand  jury in its investigation                                                                    
     and the preparation of its report.                                                                                         
          Sec.  12.40.140.  Citizen investigation  requests.                                                                  
     If  a  citizen who  is  not  serving  on a  grand  jury                                                                    
     believes a  matter of public  welfare or  safety should                                                                    
     be investigated by a grand  jury, the citizen may speak                                                                    
     with a  prosecuting attorney. The  prosecuting attorney                                                                    
     shall make  arrangements for the citizen  to speak with                                                                    
     the grand jury under  AS 12.40.070. A majority of grand                                                                    
     jury members  shall determine whether  an investigation                                                                    
     into the citizen's concern is warranted.                                                                                   
          Sec. 12.40.150. Reports. A grand jury shall make                                                                    
     a report  only upon  the concurrence  of a  majority of                                                                    
     the total number  of grand jurors on the  grand jury. A                                                                    
     foreperson shall  sign the grand  jury report.  A grand                                                                    
     jury  report   may  include  allegations   of  criminal                                                                    
     conduct.                                                                                                                   
          Sec. 12.40.160. Subpoena power. While conducting                                                                    
     an investigation  and preparing  a report  concerning a                                                                    
     matter of public  welfare or safety, a  grand jury may,                                                                    
     upon approval of a majority  of the grand jurors, issue                                                                    
     a  subpoena to  compel testimony  from witnesses  or to                                                                    
     compel the  production of documents. A  subpoena may be                                                                    
     issued only  after due consideration by  the grand jury                                                                    
     of the reasonableness of the  proposed subpoena and the                                                                    
     necessity of the anticipated testimony or documents.                                                                       
          Sec. 12.40.170. Due Process. If, while conducting                                                                   
     an  investigation, a  grand jury  requests or  receives                                                                    
     information  that  may  be  considered  prejudicial  or                                                                    
     inadmissible in  court, the prosecuting  attorney shall                                                                    
     inform  the   grand  jury  of  the   ramifications  and                                                                    
     emphasize  that   inclusion  of  the   information  may                                                                    
     jeopardize the validity of an  indictment issued by the                                                                    
     grand  jury.  If  the  grand  jury  proceeds  with  the                                                                    
     investigation despite  the inclusion of  prejudicial or                                                                    
     inadmissible evidence, the grand  jury may request that                                                                    
     any   indictment  based   on   that  investigation   be                                                                    
     transferred to  another grand jury. The  grand jury has                                                                    
     a  right to  continue the  investigation and  produce a                                                                    
     grand  jury report  containing recommendations  related                                                                    
     to matters of public welfare or safety.                                                                                    
          Sec. 12.40.180. Replacement grand jury. If a                                                                        
     grand  jury  requests  that an  indictment  be  brought                                                                    
     before  another grand  jury under  AS 12.40.170, a  new                                                                    
     grand jury  shall be convened to  pursue the indictment                                                                    
     and   the  court   may  extend   the  time   limit  for                                                                    
     preliminary examination to 20 days.                                                                                        
          Sec. 12.40.190. Peace officer testimony. If the                                                                     
     testimony presented by a peace  officer to a grand jury                                                                    
     is  inaccurate  because  of  intentional  or  negligent                                                                    
     misstatements  or  omissions  and the  defendant  shows                                                                    
     that  the inaccuracy  prejudices substantial  rights of                                                                    
     the defendant,  the court  shall dismiss  an indictment                                                                    
     resulting from the testimony."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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        "*  Sec. 22.  The  uncodified law  of  the State  of                                                                
     Alaska is amended by adding a new section to read:                                                                         
          DIRECT COURT RULE AMENDMENT. Rule 5(e), Alaska                                                                        
     Rules of Criminal Procedure, is amended to read:                                                                           
          (e)  Felonies - Other Requirements at First                                                                           
     Appearance.                                                                                                                
               (1)   If the charge against  the defendant is                                                                    
     a felony,  the defendant  shall not  be called  upon to                                                                    
     plead.                                                                                                                     
               (2)   The judicial  officer shall  inform the                                                                    
     defendant of the right to  a preliminary examination. A                                                                    
     defendant is  entitled to a preliminary  examination if                                                                    
     the defendant  is charged with  a felony for  which the                                                                    
     defendant has not been indicted, unless                                                                                    
               (A)   the  defendant  waives the  preliminary                                                                    
     examination, or                                                                                                            
               (B)   an information  has been  filed against                                                                    
     the  defendant  with  the defendant's  consent  in  the                                                                    
     superior court.                                                                                                            
               (3)   If the defendant  after having  had the                                                                    
     opportunity to consult  with counsel waives preliminary                                                                    
     examination, the judicial  officer shall forthwith hold                                                                    
     the defendant to answer in the superior court.                                                                             
               (4)     If  the  defendant  does   not  waive                                                                    
     preliminary  examination,  the judicial  officer  shall                                                                    
     schedule  a preliminary  examination. Such  examination                                                                    
     shall  be held  within  a reasonable  time,  but in  no                                                                    
     event later than                                                                                                           
               (A)      10   days  following   the   initial                                                                    
     appearance, if the defendant is in custody, or                                                                             
               (B)      20   days  following   the   initial                                                                    
     appearance, if the defendant is  not in custody or if a                                                                
     replacement grand  jury has been impaneled  pursuant to                                                                
     AS 12.40.180.  With the  consent of  the defendant  and                                                                
     upon a showing  of good cause, taking  into account the                                                                    
     public  interest  in  prompt  disposition  of  criminal                                                                    
     cases, the judicial officer may  extend the time limits                                                                    
     specified in this subsection one  or more times. In the                                                                    
     absence  of  consent  by the  defendant,  the  judicial                                                                    
     officer  may  extend  these time  limits  only  upon  a                                                                    
     showing  that  extraordinary  circumstances  exist  and                                                                    
     that  delay   is  indispensable  to  the   interest  of                                                                    
     justice."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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     would  be   legally  admissible   at  trial   shall  be                                                                    
     admissible before"                                                                                                         
          Insert "All evidence or information may be                                                                        
     presented   to  [EVIDENCE   WHICH   WOULD  BE   LEGALLY                                                                
     ADMISSIBLE AT TRIAL SHALL BE ADMISSIBLE BEFORE]"                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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               "(6)  WHEN A PRIOR CONVICTION IS AN ELEMENT                                                                      
     OF AN  OFFENSE, HEARSAY  EVIDENCE RECEIVED  THROUGH THE                                                                    
     ALASKA PUBLIC SAFETY INFORMATION  NETWORK OR FROM OTHER                                                                    
     GOVERNMENT  AGENCIES   OF  PRIOR  CONVICTIONS   MAY  BE                                                                    
     PRESENTED TO THE GRAND JURY.]"                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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        "*  Sec. 24.  The  uncodified law  of  the State  of                                                                
     Alaska is amended by adding a new section to read:                                                                         
          DIRECT COURT RULE AMENDMENT. Rule 6.1(a), Alaska                                                                      
     Rules of Criminal Procedure, is amended to read:                                                                           
          (a)  Authority to Investigate and Issue Reports.                                                                    
     A   grand  jury   is  constitutionally   authorized  to                                                                    
     investigate  and   make  reports   and  recommendations                                                                    
     concerning  the public  welfare  or  safety. [AN  ISSUE                                                                    
     CONCERNS THE  PUBLIC WELFARE  OR SAFETY,  AND THEREFORE                                                                    
     IS  WITHIN THE  SCOPE OF  A GRAND  JURY'S INVESTIGATIVE                                                                    
     AUTHORITY, WHEN                                                                                                            
               (1)  THE INVESTIGATION OF THE ISSUE COULD                                                                        
     FURTHER A PUBLIC POLICY OF THE STATE;                                                                                      
               (2)  THE OUTCOME OF THE INVESTIGATION COULD                                                                      
     REASONABLY  BE EXPECTED  TO BENEFIT  A LARGE  NUMBER OF                                                                    
     PEOPLE, RATHER  THAN TO BENEFIT  ONLY AN  INDIVIDUAL OR                                                                    
     SMALL GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS; AND                                                                                            
               (3)  THE ISSUE INVOLVES A MATTER OF GENERAL                                                                      
     IMPORTANCE TO A LARGE NUMBER  OF PEOPLE, RATHER THAN TO                                                                    
     AN INDIVIDUAL OR A SMALL GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS.]                                                                            
        *  Sec.  25. The  uncodified  law  of the  State  of                                                                  
     Alaska is amended by adding a new section to read:                                                                         
          INDIRECT COURT RULE AMENDMENTS. The provisions of                                                                     
     secs. 1, 2, and  4 - 12 of this Act  have the effect of                                                                    
     changing  Rules 6  and 6.1,  Alaska  Rules of  Criminal                                                                    
     Procedure,  by changing  the procedure  for grand  jury                                                                    
     proceedings, the duties and authority  of a grand jury,                                                                    
     and  the evidence  that  may be  presented  to a  grand                                                                    
     jury.                                                                                                                      
        *  Sec.  26. The  uncodified  law  of the  State  of                                                                  
     Alaska is amended by adding a new section to read:                                                                         
          REPEAL OF COURT RULES. Rules 6.1(b)(2) and (3),                                                                       
     Alaska Rules of Criminal Procedure, are repealed."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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          Insert "Rule 5(e), Alaska Rules of Criminal                                                                           
     Procedure, as amended by sec. 22 of this Act, and"                                                                         
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          Insert "(a) Rule 5(e), Alaska Rules of Criminal                                                                       
     Procedure, as  amended by  sec. 22  of this  Act, takes                                                                    
     effect only  if sec. 22  of this Act receives  the two-                                                                    
     thirds  majority vote  of each  house required  by art.                                                                    
     IV, sec. 15, Constitution of the State of Alaska.                                                                          
          (b)"                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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          "(c)  Rule 6.1(a), Alaska Rules of Criminal                                                                           
     Procedure, as  amended by  sec. 24  of this  Act, takes                                                                    
     effect only  if sec. 24  of this Act receives  the two-                                                                    
     thirds  majority vote  of each  house required  by art.                                                                    
     IV, sec. 15, Constitution of the State of Alaska.                                                                          
          (d)  Sections 1, 2, and 4 - 12 of this Act take                                                                       
     effect only  if sec. 25  of this Act receives  the two-                                                                    
     thirds  majority vote  of each  house required  by art.                                                                    
     IV, sec. 15, Constitution of the State of Alaska.                                                                          
          (e)  The repeal of Rules 6.1(b)(2) and (3),                                                                           
     Alaska Rules of Criminal Procedure,  by sec. 26 of this                                                                    
     Act takes effect  only if sec. 26 of  this Act receives                                                                    
     the two-thirds majority vote of each house required by                                                                     
         art. IV, sec. 15, Constitution of the State of                                                                         
     Alaska."                                                                                                                   

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HB 67 - Amendment #6 (A.23) by Rep. Carpenter.pdf HJUD 3/4/2024 1:00:00 PM
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HB 67 - Amendment #7 by Rep. Vance.pdf HJUD 3/4/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 67